“God is great!” “God is good all the time.” If you ask Christians to describe their god of worship, “great” and “good” are common words of choice. And to say that those are delusional depiction of God is an understatement. Religious people who worship Yahweh would agree on such illusory portrayal of such a deity either because they focus on the New Testament or they don’t really read the so-called holy book. This article is not for a thorough explanation on why there is a usual blatant omission of the Old Testament. Rather, this is to realistically confer that if God does exists, having Narcissistic Personality Disorder is possible.
In The Metamorphoses, the Roman poet Ovid tells the story of Narcissus. The key to understanding the story is not that Narcissus fell in love with himself; rather, he failed to recognize himself. Narcissism is marked by dissociation with oneself and not by pompous self-love. It is not a black-and-white matter, but is a matter of degree. Individuals on the psychologically healthy end display this trait in moderated levels; while, on the other end are those that display it with pathologies for NPD. In between lays a degree of gradation. Narcissism falls under Cluster B of the personality disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV-TR and this is known as Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). A diagnosis can be made to an individual who shows five out of nine symptoms, namely: a grandiose sense of self-worth; preoccupation with fantasies of success, power or brilliance; a sense of specialness; a need for excessive admiration; a heightened sense of entitlement; interpersonally exploitative; tends to arrogance; envy of others, or conversely, a belief that others envy him; and, the most distinguishing feature is a chronic empathic failure. Those with NPD also flaunt highly dramatic and erratic behavior.
If God exists, could we say he may have NPD? Yes. By looking into the Old Testament, we could see how this is possible. In 2 Chron 15:13, “That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman,” a command that shows how ostentatious God thinks of himself that all should worship him. Moreover, this command also shows how he seemingly needs to be admired and shows lack of empathy. Also in 2 Kings 17:25-26, he had sent lions to kill a group of people new to Samaria for “they not feared the Lord.” Take note that those people were ignorant of the manners of worshipping God. This is again a sign of God’s grandiose sense of self-worth and lack of empathy. God showed again how superior he is in Deut 10:12-13 when it was said that all he asks is for people to fear him, follow all his ways and obey his commandments. A deity that’s supposed to be omnimax asks people who are worth so little (Lev 27:3-7) to venerate him? Now, isn’t that a mark of regarding of yourself as special? In addition to that, giving such small value to human life for sacrifices or offering is also a sign of arrogance and again, of lofty self-worth.
Is it blasphemous to claim that Yahweh, god of the Old Testament, is exploitative and fantasizes, in fact, materializes unlimited success and power? No. In the Old Testament, God is far from being the merciful one he is known to be. Just how many did kill or were killed for his name? Such monstrosities could be seen in the Old Testament. In 2 Chron 13:20, “Neither did Jeroboam recover strength again in the days of Abijah: and the Lord struck him, and he died,” he killed a man because he was the leader of the enemies. Another one is from Josh 8:19-29 where God sent Joshua to infiltrate the city of Ai, killing 12,000 people. Also with God’s command, the Israelites murdered all inhabitants of Makkedah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron and Debir as written in Josh 10:28-40. What’s more, God ordered Israelites to kill Sihon (Deut 2:32-35) and Og (Deut 3:1-4) and to conquer their cities. These are just few of the killings either by God and/or for God. Are we seeing now the dark side God’s psyche? These killings as per his orders clearly mark his lack of empathy once again, also, an evidence of his heightened sense of entitlement, that people ought to follow him however ghastly his bids may be.
Claiming that you are all-powerful tends to be arrogant, just like what God did in Jer 32:27, “Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?” In Num 5:1-3, God tells Moses to cast any leprous person or whoever has an issue out of camp so that “they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell”. This command left people who are in need of help and care to suffer and die alone. God asked Moses to cast out people “dirty” people, a sign of arrogance. And to let people suffer alone, not really empathic. “And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them,” as written in Jer 13:14. So we have an unmerciful, ferocious god; clearly, a sign of another empathic failure. In 1 Sam 15, God revoked Saul’s crown for not following exact orders. Yet again, an indication that he feels entitled, that people should comply with whatever he asks. How about the fact that God admitted that he made even the “wicked” just for the sake of punishing them (Prov 16:4)? Furthermore, God sent two bears to slay 42 children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head? Killing 42 children for being children, what does this act tells us? This only shows utter lack in compassion.
In the book of Job, God allowed a nice man, Job, to be tormented by Satan just to prove that Satan cannot make Job evil. To let a person suffer over and over again for the sake of proving something is absolutely narcissistic and once more, failure to empathize. God is also known to ask some unreasonable demands and give out threats of punishment or damnation if he isn’t followed. Aside from the different genocidal wrath that God acted upon, he had also given out some stroppy instructions just like in Ex 35:2, “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you a holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death,” and in Ex 20:5, “Thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.”
These are just a few of the numerous accounts we could actually use to prove how Yahweh, if he is really existing, may have NPD. And after presenting only a few of them, we could already see that God exhibits more than enough of the symptoms to be detected of having a Narcissistic personality disorder. Austin Cline said in his article God: Narcissistic Personality Disorder, “We can’t really expect people to behave much better than the deity they claim is the source of all moral value, so the lower the bar they set in their deity the worse they can behave themselves — and what’s more, justify as perfectly reasonable and good.” Crux of the matter is not whether this article is blasphemous or not. Rather, if such a deity truly exists and he is really omnimax like how he is usually portrayed, then he should be free from a disorder, shouldn’t he? Unless, of course, he is not omnimax. Subsequently, if he is not omnimax, then he could actually be identified with NPD, given that he is clearly revealing signs of pathologies for it.
This is now the crucial part. If a deity does exists, but shows pathology of a personality disorder, is he justified for committing atrocities and giving out dreadful and absurd directions? If such a deity is real, are we supposed to follow and hold in the highest regard a being that shows signs of a disorder? We live in a world with a mirror effect. As a believer, one might display or follow the same behavior, consciously or not. And as we could see, the attributes of an individual on the unhealthy end of narcissism range are inauspicious. Hence, to let them follow and behave according to what a narcissistic deity instructs or exhibits is, truth be told, terrifying.
So, if this deity is really present, are we supposed to revere him? Are we going to let him slowly make us like him? Are we going to worship a deity that might just bring us to the unhealthy tip of the narcissism continuum?
7 comments
computer guy on a hammock says:
January 22, 2012 at 17:36 (UTC 8)
sup G? If in case – no matter how remote you think the possibility of God’ existence-you are wrong, only god knows where you’re heading. Maybe God never really cared and that the old morals you are focusing on to disprove God never really came from God but from just men or some men corrupted the word of God. Of course we do not know for sure because we never lived in the era.
There is no word that could best describe the vastness and eternalness of the universe – there are lots of places for god to hide or an even better idea is that God is the Universe itself. Who knows? Maybe that’s why God said “I am the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and the End”. Maybe God is within us all this time. Maybe God is in every particle of light (what’s that called, photon?), neutron, nucleus, string etc etc – in particles we do not know yet. Maybe everything you ever saw or ever step on or ever touched or ever heard or felt is God itself? How impossible it is that God is the air you are breathing right now and the light enabling you to see the words I have typed? What if God is time and reality itself? How good are you in math, particularly in probabilities? Can email me a computation that will give a mathematical explanation on the impossibility of God? Of course you couldn’t but here is my email address anyway: goodvibespatola@gmail.com – that’s also the name of my band.
You’re probably a smart man but no smarter than Albert Einstein for sure – because like me, Einstein believes in God. How old are you? What experiences have you acquired that made you reject the concept of God so greatly? How confident are you in your intellect? How high is your iq?
I’m 21 right now and my I.q. is probably around plus 200. Believe it or not. But if you believe so, let me make the decision for you. Believe in God. I believe you are a good person but I tell you this God does not care whether you believe in God (i don’t want to call God as he – that’s assuming he has a dick. Exactly why, when, and how, and to whom would he use it – if indeed he’s a he. And only creatures which sexually reproduce have gender, like you and me, nga pala are you a gurl? email me your pics and if you pass my standards then we’ll do it LOL, no photoshop please) ahhh fuck nevermind. you are probably a crackpot of a professor in U.P or P.U.P na skwater ang datingan. Nevermind all I have said too, It’s your brain it’s your decision. But never forget to incorporate this fact in your decision making- YOU ARE VERY VERY VERY SMALL COMPARED TO MY GOD. Now using all caps doesn’t mean I’m angry or anything..I just want to make my self clear. Have a good day. :)
what's my name again? says:
January 22, 2012 at 19:22 (UTC 8)
This is the 2nd edition of my comment. I have nothing else to do in my spare time so please be fair and let me edit my first one as you have edited yours. Please don’t let my silly effort be a waste – I already endured a couple of mosquito bites and after all we are both discussing God slash the absence of God here. And ain’t we all interested in the truth? So be patas – for your domain sake. LOL
My message:
Sup G? If in case – no matter how remote you think the possibility of God’ existence-you are wrong, only god knows where you’re heading. Maybe God never really cared and that the old morals you are focusing on to disprove God never really came from God but from just men or some men who corrupted the word of God. Of course we do not know for sure because we never lived in the era.
There is no word that could best describe the vastness and eternalness of the universe – there are lots of place for god to hide or an even better idea is that God is the Universe itself. Who knows? Maybe that’s why God said “I am the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and the End”. Maybe God is within us all this time. Maybe God is in every particle of light (what’s that called, photon?), neutron, nucleus, string etc etc – in particles we do not know yet. Maybe everything you ever saw or ever step on or ever touched or ever heard or felt is God itself? How impossible it is that God is the air you are breathing right now and the light enabling you to see the words I have typed? What if God is time and reality itself? How good are you in math, particularly in probabilities? Can you email me a computation that will give a mathematical explanation on the impossibility of God? Of course you couldn’t but here is my email address anyway: goodvibespatola@gmail.com – that’s also the name of my band.
You’re probably a smart man but no smarter than Albert Einstein for sure – because like me, Einstein believes in God. How old are you? What experiences have you acquired that made you reject the concept of God so greatly? How confident are you in your intellect? How high is your iq?
I’m 21 right now and my I.q. is probably around 200. And I can pick up a song on the guitar or piano after hearing it. I can draw a conclusion or two just by looking at you. And my favorite friend can give you the amount spent on a dish just by tasting it. And my other friend can open a bottle of beer using just his hands. And my other friend is 37 years old already but he looks like he’s less than 21. Well they aren’t related to my monologue but I’m not lying.
Hindi sa pag mamayabang but Our genes will be the main ingredients in the gene therapy that will evolve mankind. So you envy me not and gear up because in the near future you will be as smart as me. LOL.
Believe it or believe it not I don’t give a f*ck. But if you believe so and you admit that I am definitely smarter than you are – which less likely you still won’t, then let me make a reversed decision for you: Do not believe in God. Now I beg your feet to stay the stubborn kid you are and disagree to my statement.
I believe you are a good person though, most atheists/humanists are, but I tell you this: the modern definition of God does not give a fuck whatever the hell you are ranting. No credit for fools. I bet a ball that your kids will laugh at you when they found out that you were an atheist who rejected God without even first understanding the true nature of God.
They say most atheists have family issues. I bear witness to that assumption. I use to be an atheist when I was a kid. Now I am what? A pantheist? A pantheist who does not reject the possibility of a Judeo Christian God. To have a complete nuero-pshycho blah blah profile: I do not reject the existence of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad nor say that miracles are impossible. Well, teleportation is possible nowadays. Ask google. Soon time travel backwards will be possible too, Einstein and Steven Hawkings all rejected the possibility of that through their computations but they never factored God into their computations – they complicated things rather than simplify them.
Now enough of me and other people as smart as I. Let’s get back to you and your lack of faith. How did you lose your faith? Does it start when you where rebelling as a teenager? Or when you have watched a Richard Dawkins Special? But honestly I don’t exactly give a f*ck because who the f*ck are you to interest me? You only caught my attention because you may possibly be bound for hell. We don’t know for sure. Well I wouldn’t enjoy my piece of paradise if you are roasting on a machine. Prevention is better than cure they say but consider this as your cure. Now forget get hell and all the ugly metaphysical shit living in it. Please rub your ears and Woozaaaaahh for me please? Now say Allahu Akbar or Hallelujah. Try mo lang, masarap kaya sa feeling. Now, Let us cut the chase short shall we? for I am already starving, and please listen to my most important piece of advice to you: Resolve the issues between you and your father. Do it while you still can.
Disregard the message bellow if you want, I’m too dizzy and hungry to put this somewhere:
And the modern God does not have a gender and is phlegmatic. So stop being a sexist. Stop anthropomorphizing and demoting God by stopping attributing God (let’s make a grammatical exception for God shall we?) human qualities and stop using the male pronoun in referring to God. You know the he, him, his, he – because that’s assuming he has a dick. And that’s absurd. Exactly why, when, and how, and with whom would he use it – if indeed he’s a he? And only creatures which sexually reproduce have gender, like you and me, nga pala are you a gurl? email me your pics and if you pass my standards then we’ll do it LOL, no photoshop please) ahhh fuck nevermind. you are probably a crackpot of a professor in U.P or P.U.P na skwater ang datingan. Nevermind all I have said too, It’s your brain so it’s your decision. But never forget to incorporate this fact in your decision making- YOU ARE VERY VERY VERY SMALL COMPARED TO MY GOD. Now using all caps doesn’t mean I’m angry or anything..I just want to make myself clear. Haha. Have a good night. Nep J :)
Questionnaire says:
April 14, 2012 at 17:19 (UTC 8)
“You’re probably a smart man but no smarter than Albert Einstein for sure – because like me, Einstein believes in God. How old are you? What experiences have you acquired that made you reject the concept of God so greatly? How confident are you in your intellect? How high is your iq?”
Hmm the author of the article is smart, but you don’t need to use an argument that goes like this:
Let X- A famous person
Let Y- A claim
1.) X believes in Y.
2.) X can’t be surely wrong, since he/she is very smart and is very good at science, math, philosophy,etc.
3.) Therefore Y must be true.
OR
Let X- A famous person
1.) X has a high I.Q.
2.) X believes in God
3.) Therefore, you have to be smarter than X to say that God is not true.
“A pantheist who does not reject the possibility of a Judeo Christian God. To have a complete nuero-pshycho blah blah profile: I do not reject the existence of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad nor say that miracles are impossible”
Yet this pantheist said:
“Who knows maybe mass exhumation and mass cloning will commence when Jesus starts walking again.”
You are mentioning about Jesus walking again, maybe you do not reject the possibility, but believe that Jesus really did walk into the Earth. Do you believe that God, is the universe itself literally or metaphorically? If It is literal, then how come this God was caused by quantum fluctuations according to some physicists and quantum fluctuations was caused by a quantum vacuum according also to some physicists, not unless you can disprove quantum fluctuations[1].
Reference:
[1] http://universe-review.ca/R03-01-quantumflu.htm
Questionnaire says:
February 12, 2012 at 20:58 (UTC 8)
“But honestly I don’t exactly give a f*ck because who the f*ck are you to interest me? You only caught my attention because you may possibly be bound for hell. We don’t know for sure. ”
You are saying that the one who made the article is bound for hell, but you don’t know for sure, then why are you saying that Nep J. is bound for hell? Your reason for giving a “f*ck” to the article is a bad reason since you are not even sure if he is bound for hell in the first place.
computer guy on a hammock says:
March 9, 2012 at 06:28 (UTC 8)
Answer to Questionnaire,
Bro, I am not God. I do not know for sure what is really running in that man’s mind. I do not know for sure if his hate on God is knee deep or he is just as zealous and confused as you. I assumed the positive though. That’s what sane people do.
You atheists are the most insane and the farthest away from reality. You have known some facts, then reject the fact that there are is a thing that we cannot explain, and will never be able to explain. Because we can never go back and see further than the first moment of creation.
Explain why and where and when the universe banged, and I will concede. Give me reason, why reason has started, – Other than God willed, then I will convert to your religion of hopelessness again. Give me reason why only mankind has this unique kind of creativity and consciousness, then I will surrender my soul and start to assume I am just a machine just like you.
Why do you assume that you are soulless and worthless when there is a better and more simpler explanation regarding your identity and worth? Why do you assume that Science is the proof on the absence of God when science can explain the miracles of God? Why do you assume that all religious people are insane where you are the one who are with no doubts. Why do you assume that there is no God? When clearly there must and there is.
Just because your life is miserable does not grant you the right to spread misery on town. Just because you lost faith does not mean you are absolutely right nor grant you the right to take others’ faith. Just because you know some Science does not mean you are correct that there is no God. Just because there are contradictions among the scriptures of goatherds does not mean God is wrong and false. You atheists over underestimate God, and tend to over estimate your selves. You are so sure when not even Carl Sagan is so sure that there is no God, though he knows a lot more than you do.
Religion makes people happy and emotionally strong. You have no right to deny hope and happiness to others nor try to take them. If you try to take hope and happiness and culture from other people, you will certainly get a not so pleasant reaction. They are happier the way they are. And you’re not, because according to a survey atheists are the most prone to depression.You debate and argue on the most simplest things and in actuality what have you contributed to the real world?
Fire was not discovered by atheists. The wheel was not invented by atheists. Farming was not invented by atheists. Animal husbandry was not developed by atheists. Electricity was not discovered by atheists. Vaccination was not discovered by an atheist. The internal combustion engine was not invented by atheists. Gravity was not discovered by an atheist. Relativity was not discovered by an atheist. Flight was not discovered by atheists. The first computer was not invented by an atheist. The internet was not developed by an atheist. Sure there are a lot of smart atheists but intelligence does not count on dealing with the unexplainable.
Now, never ever say that the majority of wars or the frequency of murder are caused by religion. No. Most of them were ignited and fueled by the love of money and power and jealousy – not religion.
The man who murdered the most is an atheist, his name is Stalin. The woman who have turned the world selfish is an atheist, her name is Ayn Rand. Never say to me that Adolf Hitler is Christian, actually he must be an atheist, because he so gravely believed in genetics and eugenics and Aryan superiority – which is totally not on the Bible.
Never say to me that I am doing all this because I expect a gold coin in reward from God. No. I am not that greedy. This life is enough. I am happy and contented. But if there really is rebirth in a much happier place, then, I will embrace it with open arms. Who knows maybe mass exhumation and mass cloning will commence when Jesus starts walking again. Maybe genes carry memory. Who knows for sure?
You on the other hand might embrace fire as reward – or electricity. I do not know for sure. Only you know what is running in your head. Only you can test your soul if you are in denial or not. Ask your selves this, if you find your self on a plummeting plane would you not call God for help? Will you not repent? If so, then you are indeed an honest man. If not, you are full of pride – just like Satan.
I will not explain to you why 7 is the number of God nor explain to you why 6 is the number of Satan nor explain to you why the Jews were forbidden to eat shellfish. If you really possess the logic and the scientific knowledge atheist are known for, then you will figure the number problem out. However, if you do not figure it out, in let’s say the same number of hour as your age. Then cut the act and stop the pretension. Stop making your life pathetic. You are already ugly on the outside, why make your self even uglier in the inside?
Questionnaire says:
April 14, 2012 at 14:07 (UTC 8)
“or he is just as zealous and confused as you.”
I don’t know if describing me as a confused person will really tell I am a confused person.
“You atheists are the most insane and the farthest away from reality. You have known some facts, then reject the fact that there are is a thing that we cannot explain, and will never be able to explain.”
I don’t know about the unexplainable, all I know is the unexplained, since mankind has solved most of the questions that was asked a long long time ago. I don’t think if calling atheists insane and far from reality just because you believe there are unexplainable things in the universe that can not be explained by man. I think you are invoking intelligent design here just because of there are some things that are unexplainable( for the sake that there may be unexplainable things as you have said). Correct me if I am wrong, maybe your argument goes like this:
1.) There are things that are unexplainable
Let us just say I will accept this premise.
2.) Man can not explain the unexplainable
Let us also accept this premise.
3.) Therefore there must be an intelligent designer
Premise 1 and premise 2 may agree with each other, but I can’t see the point why it needs to be an intelligent designer. You are invoking the God of the Gaps fallacy here. Let us have a thought experiment, let us just say that we were in the time when Isaac Newton wasn’t around, and you were experimenting if two hard objects fall together if dropped at the same time and height. Maybe you would say to most people “Aha! How do you explain that?! These two objects dropped at the same time and height falls together. There must be a God, since I can not explain why.” Just maybe though, just maybe.
“Explain why and where and when the universe banged, and I will concede.”
For the why part, some physicists say that thermal quantum fluctuations caused the Big Bang[1], now is not the time to insert your God on the quantum fluctuations because some physicists say that it is caused by a quantum vacuum. I don’t know if you still want to insert your God though. For the when part, physicists say that it occurred 13.7 billion years ago[2]. For where it occurred you can say that the expansion happened everywhere, so there was, and has, no central location. Initially, there was only a singularity, but it was not located anywhere because at that time there was no space for it to be located in.
“Give me reason, why reason has started, – Other than God willed, then I will convert to your religion of hopelessness again.”
Reason started, because man wanted to know what is his purpose, why things are in this way, etc. It seems that you assume that atheism is a religion, well it isn’t[3]. It is like saying “Not collecting stamps is a hobby” or “Off is a T.V. Channel”. I don’t seem to see that atheism is hopeless, since hope is a desire[4]. Any one can hope for something whether you may be a theist or an atheist or whatever religion you belong to.
“Give me reason why only mankind has this unique kind of creativity and consciousness, then I will surrender my soul and start to assume I am just a machine just like you.”
I won’t give you a reason about being unique, you can make any reason why we are unique compared to other species. Animals are also unique, because they have things that we naturally don’t have like: A turtle that has a body covering or a bat who can hear a very far distance[5]. You can assume that I am a machine, but I am not, I can act according to what I want to do. My actions are not necessarily being commanded by a person.Since you are assuming, I can also assume that most theists are machines or robots, since they have nothing to do but to obey God( Let us just say there is for the sake of argument) or else they will end up in hell(According to religious doctrines)[6].
References:
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation
[2] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_and_when_did_the_%27Big_Bang%27_occur
[3] http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm
[4] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/hope_2
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_range
[6] http://reformedonline.com/view/reformedonline/hell.htm
Questionnaire says:
April 14, 2012 at 16:37 (UTC 8)
I apologize for not clicking the reply button on my other comment to your comment, Anyways.
“Why do you assume that you are soulless and worthless when there is a better and more simpler explanation regarding your identity and worth? Why do you assume that Science is the proof on the absence of God when science can explain the miracles of God?”
I don’t assume that I am worthless. I don’t know if the simpler explanation your talking about is somewhat related to God again. I don’t know need a supreme being to make myself worthy to everyone. Can you give me explanations on how miracle was explained by science and its laws, because it seems contradictory to the definition of miracle[1].
“Why do you assume that all religious people are insane where you are the one who are with no doubts. Why do you assume that there is no God?
I don’t assume that all religious people are insane, but I must say that the people who caused the 9/11 is insane. I don’t understand the “no doubts” part, can you explain further, because it seems for me that this is vague. I assume there is no God(I refer to a supreme being here), because:
1.Anything with logically incompatible properties cannot exist. (This is not arguable)
2.Any God that knows the future is powerless to change it, and is therefore not omnipotent.
3.Omniscience is logically incompatible with omnipotence. (2)
4.God is described as having omniscience and omnipotence. (given)
5.Therefore God does not exist. (1) (3) (4)
This is sufficient proof to discredit the existence of any God that is said to be both omniscient and omnipotent.
You may want to ask definitions so:
Omniscience- the capacity to know everything infinitely. (This includes knowledge of future events)
Omnipotence- almighty: having unlimited power.
God- any being that is simultaneously omnipotent and omniscient.
“When clearly there must and there is.”
You haven’t given evidences to support your claim, so I assume that you are using an argument of sheer will.
“Just because your life is miserable does not grant you the right to spread misery on town. Just because you lost faith does not mean you are absolutely right nor grant you the right to take others’ faith.”
Your making assumptions that my life is miserable, you have to be in my shoes to know it. You may be correct that losing faith does not make one’s claim true, but he/she may be convinced that a claim is true, not unless it is supported with evidence/s.It seems that there are people that we call “Evangelists” that try to take people’s faith or no faith, maybe you don’t have problem with these people.
“Just because you know some Science does not mean you are correct that there is no God.”
Well I could be wrong. I admit that, since I am a human and is capable of committing mistakes.
“Just because there are contradictions among the scriptures of goatherds does not mean God is wrong and false.”
I don’t believe that something is true if it has contradictions. It is reasonable to believe that if something contradict itself it is right not to believe in it.
“You atheists over underestimate God, and tend to over estimate your selves”
Hmm, I don’t underestimate, overestimate, etc something that I don’t believe in. Can you tell me why we atheists overestimated ourselves?
“You are so sure when not even Carl Sagan is so sure that there is no God, though he knows a lot more than you do.”
Ahhh, the argument from a famous person. Yet you are sure that God exists when not even Carl Sagan is so sure that there is a God, though he knows a lot more than you do(Returning back your fallacious statement, with another fallacious statement). This argument does not prove that a God exists or not.
“Religion makes people happy and emotionally strong. You have no right to deny hope and happiness to others nor try to take them.”
I believe that religion gives hope to mankind, but it also caused a lot of troubles in the name of it. Although, I have the right to take it happiness and hope when my rights are being violated.
“If you try to take hope and happiness and culture from other people, you will certainly get a not so pleasant reaction.”
What if I tried to take fake hopes and happiness(e.g. 72 virgins awaits them if they kill people in the name of Allah) I will be trying to replace their fake hopes and happiness, because it violates other people’s rights.
“They are happier the way they are. And you’re not, because according to a survey atheists are the most prone to depression”
I don’t know who conducted that survey, where, and how it was conducted. Anyways, a human being can be prone to depression if he/she is a pessimist.
“You debate and argue on the most simplest things and in actuality what have you contributed to the real world? Fire was not discovered by atheists. The wheel was not invented by atheists. Farming was not invented by atheists. Animal husbandry was not developed by atheists. Electricity was not discovered by atheists. Vaccination was not discovered by an atheist. The internal combustion engine was not invented by atheists. Gravity was not discovered by an atheist. Relativity was not discovered by an atheist. Flight was not discovered by atheists. The first computer was not invented by an atheist. The internet was not developed by an atheist. Sure there are a lot of smart atheists but intelligence does not count on dealing with the unexplainable.”
What simplest things are you talking about? I have contributed happiness, knowledge, wisdom etc to people. I don’t care if those things were not discovered or were invented by atheists. There are also things that atheists contributed in science and technology[2].
“Now, never ever say that the majority of wars or the frequency of murder are caused by religion. No. Most of them were ignited and fueled by the love of money and power and jealousy – not religion.”
What about the 9/11, crusades, witch hunts, Israeli/Palestinian wars, Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, beheading of blasphemers? Were this not committed in the name of religion?
“The man who murdered the most is an atheist, his name is Stalin. The woman who have turned the world selfish is an atheist, her name is Ayn Rand.”
I never heard any atheist killing in the name of “no God”. I would like to quote your statement, butt add a little words “Most of them were ignited and fueled by the love of money and power and jealousy, not in the name of “no God”.
“Never say to me that Adolf Hitler is Christian, actually he must be an atheist, because he so gravely believed in genetics and eugenics and Aryan superiority – which is totally not on the Bible.”
Hmm Adolf Hitler not a Christian? “And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord[3].” Adolf Hitler said this.
“You on the other hand might embrace fire as reward – or electricity. I do not know for sure. Only you know what is running in your head. Only you can test your soul if you are in denial or not. Ask your selves this, if you find your self on a plummeting plane would you not call God for help? Will you not repent? If so, then you are indeed an honest man. If not, you are full of pride – just like Satan. ”
I don’t like people playing Pascal’s Wager[4]. Believing in something just because if I don’t believe I might go to hell? Let us just say that the professor’s God is true. The Professor’s God rewards those who humbly remain skeptical in the absence of evidence, and punishes those who adopt theism on the basis of self-interest, then I am not punished. Let me quote Russell “If it is true, then you should believe it, if it isn’t then you shouldn’t, if you can’t decide whether it is true or not, then you should suspend judgement” Again, why would I repent or ask help to something I don’t believe in?
References:
[1] http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/miracle
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology
[3] http://www.greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf page 59
[4] http://www.iep.utm.edu/pasc-wag/